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A Caustic 3 Youtube channel

Here's the thing....

As far as I can tell, people who want to listen to music don't go to Soundcloud. It generally seems that only other people who make music will listen to your stuff on Soundcloud. And that's great. But ultimately self-limiting.

People who want to listen to music go to Youtube.

From the very small number of subscribers I have seen on my Youtube channel over the last 6 months I have only recognised a handful of names as Caustic content creators. It seems that most people stumble across a track by accident and subscribe if they like what they hear.

And guess what. There is nowhere on YouTube where you can find the best content made by the best people using Caustic 3 in one place. And I think there should be.

Within this website there is a huge repository of great music which is essentially only transiently accessible on the 'show and tell' forum. Only other Caustic users are ever going to hear them, and in a very short space of time, your track is on page 2, page 3, etc and then no-one will hear it again. As far as I can tell, there is no way to search archived tracks. And even if there were, as more SCS members use this site and upload more and more content it gets increasingly difficult to filter the wheat from chaff.

It needs to be easy to access good music. I want to be able to go to a single Youtube channel and hear all the most recent and previous tracks by all the best Caustic content creators. I want to be able to play compilations of the best Trance, Chillout, etc made with Caustic. I want to be able to listen to playlists categorised by artist. A good model to follow would be the PrimeCronus Youtube channel which posts epic/orchestral music by assorted artists. This has been run by one guy for the last 4 years and has almost 250000 subscribers with 120 million views in total. Clearly, it isn't just other classical/orchestral composers who are using this channel to listen to music.

A Caustic version of this would be a great vehicle to showcase user's individual talents to the general public (as opposed to just other Caustic users) and would also be a great showcase for the brilliance of the Caustic 3 app itself.

It would need someone to administer the channel, generate the videos from submitted tracks and, most importantly, act as a gatekeeper for quality control. I don't think that this would necessarily be a major undertaking and one of the founding fathers of the Caustic community here would seem to be the most appropriate candidate if they were willing. This community has already established a regular radio show which basically fulfils a similar purpose so I see no reason why this shouldn't be feasible. Rej's Caustic app channel on Youtube has over 11000 subscribers but he obviously feels the purpose of his channel is to disseminate tutorial videos rather than showcase Caustic-generated content.

As I 've mentioned elsewhere, I don't know if Caustic and mobile-based composition is the future of music or not. But I'll tell you this, it feels like the future of something. For me, it feels like the democratisation of making music in that you don't need thousands of pounds worth of pro audio hardware and software and multiple degrees in computer science to make pro-audio quality music and understand what you are doing. It will open avenues of musical self expression to people who would otherwise have no recourse to do so. You want to write a song but can't play an instrument or not in a band? Do you know what, you're already walking round with everything you need in your pocket. It's crazy. I wish I'd have had Caustic and the mobile technology to use it when I was a kid.

Thoughts? Am I just talking nonsense?

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It's a good idea mate but I

It's a good idea mate but I've have way more total strangers like my stuff on soundcloud than YouTube so far.
My ex machina tune has over 130 hits on soundcloud. YouTube? 0!!
And, to organise it would be a fair task to undertake.
And when you think of how many billions of videos are on YouTube compared to tunes on soundcloud, you're gonna be extremely lucky to get random hits, unless you remix or redo already-well-known songs or pieces. The only songs that have any hits so far on YouTube are the remixes I did. There's always the chance that someone will click on one and like it and check out my other stuff, but that's happened more on soundcloud.
If it was well organised, it could work really well though and YouTube is another avenue to put your stuff out there. Let me know if you start one up cos I'll definitely be a part of it.
I only say that cos you kinda sound like you're applying for the job. Or running for president, one or the other lol

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Definitely not. I wouldn't be

Definitely not. I wouldn't be the best person at all to fulfil that role. And no presidential aspirations either.

It's just a suggestion. If other people think it's a bad idea that's ok.

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Two get it done right.

Two get it done right.

there person would need two circulate the caustic file of a person as well circulate who did the trk as well.

For instance u would have two correspond what u would want for your music as video. Not the creator of the channel.

two me??? Only me. I would not want two be in charge of doing dat cause how well u mix the two mediums of pictures with sound clips. Is a tedious task. Slappin' images of over sound requires a certain raw talent and skill finesse.

interesting idea. But self-promotion of the artist as what they want promoted. Like skarabee......

He goes out. And does live set. With band using caustic. If u not able two be in t he mix with him during is show. How can u make it work? Ok sure just how??

(( no offense mr. Skarabee. But i had two use and think of u as example. ))

Cause what others maybe doing besides just doing caustic production matters also. Cause what if the best of the best is really just wanna keep the action of there trks low key. Hmmmm it opposes all kinds of uncomfortably for me. I could do it. But bogg down as it becomes a 9 to 5 job in the end. A free job. Two continously keep this up.

ego. Pride. All play. In getting something like this going great and good then it fizzes right out. Like a balloon leaking air.

This baloon should never leak as powerful as this app is. Woooowwwwww!!!!!!!!

Never ever leak.

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It's not a bad idea, it just

It's not a bad idea, it just to good of an idea to work.

Unfortunately, when things like this come up, ideas a free, the implementation is not, time wise that is.

This site for instance, I started for Rej almost 4 years ago, over that time I can count about 10 major times something like this has been proposed. I know that there is a reason it doesn't exist right now.

People change, move on, life happens and other myriad things happen to ideas along the way. The one stumbling block I see in this is videos takes forever time was to deal with. Also is the reason you don't see a lot of mobile created stuff up on youtube as videos, it takes SO LONG.

I am experimenting with an application that could consolidate peoples tracks from every where, even this site into an app. The Caustic Player has more dreams then just a local .caustic file player but, I have more things to do before I hit that stage.

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Good points all well made. I

Good points all well made. I have only been a member here for a short period of time so am consequently ignorant of previous similar proposals. I should probably keep my Caustic daydreams to myself in future. Still think it would be good though.

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A good key point is no one

A good key point is no one has ever agree on what as a community group what we should be called!!

Everybody has an oponion. But we can't unify and agree on one name other than causitic.

Just recently after thinking about my post and how i wanna edited my first post and make sum of my points lil more clearer ((( it still won't help much but!!! )))

"Caustic rebels"

we all tend two use presets.

"Caustic preset synth rebels"

bit wordy but small not overtly too many syllables.

But
someone would need a free workstation two do all this editing. And if the creative video processing shuts down do two someone computer crashes. Then the channel would be in repair until then.

i use my library digital studio all the time!!

I've takenthe library's free final cut x class on editting a video as well photoshop and illustrator.
And if i have problems with doing such a video (s) i have an aid right there at my disposal.

herre's where it gets me as overly hard project two do.

# of images? Two process a video.
idk i can ask much later in the week and get back two u guys.

Why is this a major hundle??

Cause regardless of what song and who's song it is. The videos will need two look very similar. In style and how they are arranged in time. As well processing images.

***If we can say a limit two length of song. (( would not want a 25 minute song compare two others 3 to 4 minute songs. ))

****Tempo of song.(( two regulate how the process of video with speed of image.... every 2 to 3 seconds?? Or 5 seconds?? How many images it would take two render could be 2 to 3 dazes two a week! Maybe 2 weeks!!

My own trks...... are heavily ridden with the same song. My prooduction of caustic no matter how much i learn how two use caustic and use the lfo and filters and fx chain. Most of my original songs all sound the the same. As melody damm near close two the previous one. Not cool. not good.

Sooo i could use this project two fuel my vision two improve how i do me.

and the individual would have two consider two travel abroad. Why? Cause with time as caustic evolves as it has so far. The community will need two be shown two-gether. As not just one of us. But all of us.

As i'm saying if we do the progression of this we would actually want in our own videos not our image. But us. Two showcase our own work. Maybe in our space of production of our own neutral choosing.

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Good entertaining video

Good entertaining video content takes a long time to make.... I am working on some new video production methods that I hope streamlines my upcoming video work..... Caustic in Perspective (as seen on my YT channel) is one of those methods.

On the upside, when I convert any of my old SoundCloud grooves over to YT and make an actual video out of it, it gets 10,000+ hits rather quickly.

But yet again, it is a tremendous effort to make a quality video that keeps people coming back for more....

Http://youtube.com/eipstuduiosohio

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One reason I could get behind

One reason I could get behind something like this is I find Soundcloud too irritating to deal with. At one time I could export a wav from Caustic and upload it to Soundcloud right from my iPad but they changed it and now I can't. The whole interface for iOS is screwy now where it once was OK. I can't even access my account like I once could. A music track doesn't require a sophisticated video. Many on youtube are just a still graphic of a vinyl disc or something like that. I can do that on my phone (or iPad) with iMove. FWIW

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I agree. I am not fussed

I agree. I am not fussed personally about seeing some elaborate artwork while listening to a music track on Youtube and I don't necessarily think it's a deal breaker for most people.

Jason, your Caustic in Perspective video looks amazing. If this was an app that you could load your .caustic files into and output a video file from this would be a fantastically visually engaging way to enjoy Caustic content for users and non - users alike. I'm not sure whether this is your ultimate aim for this though. Still, that would be great.

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Another issue with this for

Another issue with this for me is the 'sorting the wheat from the chaff' approach. This implies some sort of Godfather-like admin for the channel who judges then accepts or rejects a track based on whether or not he (she) thinks it's any good. In my opinion this could create an elitist vibe about the channel which would not be very healthy.

I would much rather a set up where anybody could upload their own track and then listeners/viewers could possibly rate it. Personally I'd favour a channel that promotes and encourages people of all abilities to have a go at creating their own music compositions. Sometimes it's the people that don't know what they're doing that come up with the most creative work.
 

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Sooooo for anickt & richsmith

Sooooo for anickt & richsmith it's just as simple for those ol' skool "visual equalizers" two make such a video with the sound. Hummmmm i gotcha.

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This is another thang i didn

This is another thang i didn't think of. Cause it just accur two me what if all the songs where videos multiple playlist would get created and dat just may bot be everybody's cup of tea.

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I Agree. cause some of the

I Agree. cause some of the collaboration projects had a competitive edge of recent date. and their still in development. This was a common question. "How was a winner determine."

Sooo rating on a scale of good and great is opinionated. Ego. pride. How is this even possible?

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It seems like a good idea on

It seems like a good idea on paper (or forum) but who's going to moderate it? Maybe as individuals we should make our own channels just like on soundcloud. If you want to use social media to gain followers then it takes a tremendous amount of effort. You have to be on all of them, Facebook, Twitter, Soundcloud, Bandcamp, Instagram, Youtube, Google+ etc...

Once you get set up its not too bad.

I'm surprised so many people use Youtube for music as you have to have your screen on to watch/listen to the music. Youtube sucks for phone use in that way, and uploading takes a while.

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In terms of assessing quality

In terms of assessing quality, I take your point that this could be divisive. But isn't that what Mr Bailey does with his Caustic radio broadcast every week? He gets sent a load of tracks. He picks the good ones to play and sets aside the ones he doesn't like. No drama. No broken hearts.

It seems like a lot of brand new Caustic users post up the first tracks they knock out. And generally speaking, they don't sound great. It took me 6 months to start writing stuff which I thought might be reasonable enough quality to share. The first stuff I came up with sounded truly awful.

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And youtube does have alot of

And youtube does have alot of options from "for free downloaders" on different web browsers i would hate for someone trust me with their "audio real estate" and and sooo many have their material virtually for nothing and if in the market for selling material.....

who ever moderate such a channel should be in charge of taking down material for circulation purposes.

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That's also a good point. I'd

That's also a good point. I'd be interested to know whether any of the Caustic community make any money from licensing the music they make with Caustic 3. Not many I suspect.

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Now I don't think i have very

Now I don't think i have very much else after this. But i surprise my person everyday.

if, and only if.... we set certain criteria, upfront of what has been hinted around if someone did take charge of posting a youtube channel nobody would post there very best!!! Why??? The individual should be overly concern about all the above comments in this thread.

sooooo an individual's song would be a forefeit of it being there's. Sooooo it would self-help promote a person two keep producing just dat much more better than what they gave away.

I can sea if someone modulated such a channel could give the right encouragment two such artist two better take notes of people want of there material.
Soo a circulation of videos and would be ideal!!! Cause if the videos where made for them. Dat could be quite a bit of some caustic users problems!!! Sooo it could be a service two everyone!!!

how many of our own thoughts of this forum could not be used against us. Not likely. But always possible. Right???

Soooo idk. My time is open two do such a project.

But it would be a full-time job of how two manage each video either the same or different than the nnext.

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I don't know if making a

I don't know if making a Caustic YT really matters, I think we (the caustic comminity) will look for it but the rest of the world is not going to look for caustic music in YouTube. Most people I play my music in person, they will like the music. I tell them it was made with my phone, 1 out of 10 will be amazed by it.

Maybe that one person will look for it. But I doubt it.

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OR....... make it simpler....

OR....... make it simpler.....

Many of us have a YT page, and feature Caustic tracks on it right?

If.... and I stress "if" I can talk Rej into it, maybe if he opened up a Show&Tell subforum for video-specific section, such as YT, then we could link or share our individual works on our sites, to this subforum, and it would be Caustic Video Nirvana.....  but such a setup here could potentially further strain the traffic to SCS's site already...

I'm not saying it will actually happen, but it's a thought, and would be easier to "moderate"..... 

Just thinking out loud...

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Ohh look!!! Jason is dancing.

Ohh look!!! Jason is dancing. Lol cool

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The site is not changing for

The site is not changing for the time being, repeat, the site is not changing for the time being.

In other words, the site is not changing.

I already said the Caustic Player has plans for networking....

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Just to be clear, Mike, as

Just to be clear, Mike, as you were a bit vague:
Is the site changing anytime soon?

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Yeah, I was just being stupid

Yeah, I was just being stupid funny, but the fact is bandwidth is at max and anything more right now is going to make it to where you will have connection issues with site access, I don't think people want that.

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I think this whole topic is

I think this whole topic is moot.

I agree that Youtube provides more exposure. However, similar to what I've said before in another thread, the world doesn't care what tools you use to make your music. The world only cares whether the music sounds good or not. A Caustic-only channel means nothing to the world, especially if it does (and it has to) congregate very disparate kinds of music, which is likely to annoy most listeners.

The upshot is, almost all of the people you can reasonably expect to attract with a Caustic-only channel is other Caustic users, and if that is the kind of people you're going to attract, then it doesn't matter which social media has more exposure. The fans will go wherever the show chooses to go. You'll be better off polling the community to find out which media is more convenient and sticking with it, from the community to the community.

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I agree Luc, it's what comes

I agree Luc, it's what comes out of the speakers that matters. How it was made would be irrelevant to most listeners. Only Caustic users themselves will be interested in how a track was mixed and which machines and effects were used to create it.

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I don't know. That argument

I don't know. That argument seems a bit defeatist. If you throw your hands in the air and lament the fact that the world doesn't care about Caustic and we should carry on disseminating music within the confines of a community then that's ok. But I still think that a lot of the music now made with Caustic is of such high quality that it merits, and would be of interest to, a wider audience. Not because of the platform that it's made on. But because it's just good music. There is more chance of generating interest in a large collective body of music properly catalogued by genre on a single Youtube channel than dozens or hundreds of individuals posting tracks on their own channels. It may also provide a resource for people looking to commission or licence music for commercial purposes.

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It's not moot. I can see 100

It's not moot. I can see 100's of Ableton groups, these people enjoy making music with Ableton and at the same time say this is made with Ableton and feel proud about it. It's obvious that music is music when played through a speaker, I think Rich is pointing out the fact that this is not a new idea and people love their tools and can inspire each other listening to things made in the tool they use.

On the other hand, it just creates another community that inspires musicians that use the tool realize what they can achieve in that tool. I really don't think Rich is saying, "Hey this is made with Caustic, it means something!".

Either way, this site proves that something on Youtube that targeted Caustic would work and gather people, the musicians thus bringing in more "friend listeners" because they are sitting next to the person that is playing their stuff on Youtube. What I said is that creatinga  community/group isn't easy.

It took about 2 years before the Show and Tell was over flowing like it is today and as many have mentioned previously, it really is inaccessible to the "outside" world.

In regards to the Caustic Player app. I could write some PHP that organized every single song uploaded and linked on this site, run a sort and filter for remote searches and just like that every song and link would be then accessible that has been posted on this site in the last 4 years(sound cloud links included, even if dead).

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Two I do music from only one

Two I do music from only one app. Is not "the won".

Could be. For sum songs. But alot of us ((( it seems two be most caustic users ))) r more concern on a song to song bases. Not software group junkies altho we all may have preferences for doing certain production. ((( its of high-quality and needed )))

But sleeping with the software swearing by it. Huuhhh..... something wrong with those people. Cause everything someone does want posted how the channel how could it be regulatex what they used?

I was of mind two take the song file and video the clips of automation. If none then just a timeline footage of such youtube video would work but....idk. i kinda have a soft spot for mike's app cause it kills "the be all of the end all."

We come two this forum two keep up with the news of this app. Not just for updates.

And findin' about caustic player is the bonus of why we keep coming back.

Its no secret its on it way around 3.2. Update. Maybe early maybe not. Idk!!!

But i would wait for mike before gettin' envolved doing a yt channel why more work and maintenance one individual and we get connected thru mike and the forum is better this way, i think.

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Realistically, a moderated YT

Realistically, a moderated YT channel for Caustic tracks, not gonna happen, unless someone with no family, no kids, no job, and ALOT of time on his/her hands steps up to the plate.

There I said it cheeky

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Dat was my whole point jason.

Dat was my whole point jason. Why i was considering it hello??? ((( folks in the audience the dancing banana has got ahold of jason. Somebody rescuse him!!! )))

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Playlist-style site?

Hi Everyone, 1st post here, is there anything like a player of user tracks online? Similar to archive.org or KVR One Synth Challenge style? Maybe a voting system in case tracks are complete ripoffs.

Maybe a once per month "made with Caustic" challenge. But in an easy playlist format instead of scouring forums.