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ImpulseGame
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How to gate a sound in caustic?

I been trying to figure out gating and compressing sounds in a track after having run into a few problems. But I can't found a gate effect in caustic? Can the compressor be used for that as well? Or is it in another effect like the limiter?

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You can use the modular synth

You can use the modular synth to push your source through with an lfo on a mixer. Or use the lfo on volume on most of the other synths too... Or automate the volume manually if you want a more dynamic gating effect

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On this track I'm automating

On this track I'm automating the lfo rate to give a more dynamic gating effect. The lfo is linked to the volume.

https://soundcloud.com/angledsocks/the-end-is-in-sight

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Thanks, I can try and see if

Thanks, I can try and see if I can get that to work. This is the file, it's the sound coming from the modular, I been too impulsive again with uploading, I could also have tried to use the eq in the mastering to try and get a better result. On headphones and phone speakers I didn't notice at first, when I played it on speakers I heard the problem.

I'm also interested in figuring out what the compressor on master could do to get a better, more professional sound, been checking out the other threads on this forum regarding compression and mastering. It's a tough effect to get a grasp on, but I feel it's the key to get to better results in general.

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I got your email... I'll take

I got your email... I'll take a peek at it later tonight, sir...

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Thanks Jason :)

Thanks Jason :)

There's no rush, if not tonight maybe at some other time.

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100% credit should go to

100% credit should go to paulovski for this trick, but here's how to gate with a pcmsynth and sidechain compression.

There are 5 very basic examples, each just slightly different to maybe help get a better sense of how it works.

Basically with the pcmsynth volume all the way up, the source machine will be fully gated (depending on the waveform amplitude and the sample volume, and of course the compressor settings)

Have a look at all of the settings for each pair and also look at the waveform while it plays in the loop editor.

Also here's a couple more threads that might help:
http://www.singlecellsoftware.com/node/5297
http://www.singlecellsoftware.com/node/15779

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Thanks for the file, Ima

Thanks for the file, Ima check it out asap.

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I'm not sure I can take

I'm not sure I can take credit for a technique that was being used in the 1930s. I'm not that old :)

Not sure what the problem with that modsynth is either. What's the problem with that modsynth?

 

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Ok. How about 30% credit to

Ok. How about 30% credit to Douglas Shearer for pioneering the techique, 30% to Rej for making it possible in caustic, 30% to you for showing me how, and I'll take 10% for passing it on. :-)

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You should have a bit more

You should have a bit more for the 'positive only' slant :)

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I automated frequency in the

I automated frequency in the multi filter effect, at the higher frequencies the modular becomes too silent (at least in my opinion) in some parts like the mid section where the beat drops away, normally I would compensate by automating volume, but as I already have the volume controls in both the mixer and the modular set to max, that option can't be used. So I'm curious if there are other ways to fix it.

In general I'd also like to know more about using the compressor and limiter to try and get a better sound. I been noticing that my tracks could be louder as compared to other artists tracks. It bothers me when I hear my tracks that ended up in mixes and on compilations, they're always about 70-80% volume of surrounding tracks by others. Maybe good use of a compressor in master can get that issue fixed and get a better result (I could up the volume of my tracks in general by using audacity, but I'd rather be able to do it within caustic and maybe also get a slicker sound). I always use lots of reverb and delay, so maybe that's the reason I can't get the volume up on my tracks.

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Mastering is a big kettle of

Mastering is a big kettle of fish and my humble opinion is 'Do it elsewhere'. 

Compression here would help, but that's pretty extreme dynamic filtering, so probably not enough. If I were you I'd add a dormant distortion unit, bring up the pre and copy the multi filter automation to the post control. Then you'd have a volume curve that followed the filtering.

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Great idea, that would have

Great idea, that would have worked perfectly. I would've never thought of copying the auto, didn’t even know that's possible.

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Yeah. Copy the first

Yeah. Copy the first (unquantised) keyframe and paste it to a quantised position in front of the original, select all and paste to the same position of an automated post gain control