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trae215
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Extend notes past the end of a pattern/Wrap notes around a pattern

is there a way to do either of these?

 

i like to shift notes slightly off the grid for a more lazy feel, but if, for example, i have a pattern of half note chords and i shift them 1/32 off of the grid, i always have to make the notes at the end of the pattern shorter, otherwise they won't shift over with the rest of them.

 

this  brings up another problem; the shifted notes at the end of the pattern have to be shorter in length than the rest of the notes, which makes it sound weird every time the pattern repeats. you can really notice this if there's no notes at the beginning of the next pattern. it sounds like it cuts off early

 

a workaround could be automating the envelope of the sound at the end of each pattern, but i think it should def be a feature in the future if possible. it would be perfect for a looped sound like a string if you need it to be longer than 8 bars without hearing it repeat, especially if it had a slow attack.

SToons Music
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Yes, and no.

Yes, and no.

In the sequencer view you can easily achieve this.

Also, if you have patterns already created, "select all", copy, and then paste the notes directly into the sequencer view to save the time of recreating them. The sequencer view also allows disabling Snap To Grid.

I often enter notes directly in the seq and don't bother creating a "Pattern" for the reasons you cite.

In the seq view, click the button with the squares beside the word "Patterns" and you will see the piano roll that allows direct entry of notes. You can easily copy and paste what you enter in the seq view which is only mildly more cumbersome than using Patterns but often well worth it if you're trying to do something like pushing notes or allowing them to sustain beyond the length of a pattern.

There's also no other way to make something like a pad sustain for more than 8 measures without re-triggering. So, yes, you absolutely can make a note sustain for as many measures as you like provided you enter the note in the seq view, not as a Pattern

Another strategy is to use patterns but manually enter ONLY the notes you need to push or sustain between patterns. You can add notes ion the seq view even if there are patterns on the same track. Probably the easiest approach once you get comfortable working that way.

I included a really cheesy example to illustrate, insanely simple but hopefully you'll get what I'm describing.

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trae215
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ahh true! i always avoided

ahh true! i always avoided writing inside the sequencer because early on in my Caustic life it was a bit intimidating, but now it all makes sense. thank you! 

 

cool tunes btw! i can totally hear 9 of Seven on an '80s - '90s tv show of some sort haha.

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Awesome, glad to help. And

Awesome, glad to help. And thanks for the kind words.

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I sometimes avoid that

I sometimes avoid that retriggering issue by adding a bit longer release time which lets the sound spill over into the next pattern while also altering the attack just enough to hide any initial sounds. This doesn't have to be automated if you can find the right balance to solve the wraparound without affecting note sounds dramatically. It can work with strings and and if you apply it more aggressively the more "lazy" it gets as well. It might help in some situations.