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Neil
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Oh Please Say It Isn't So...

I've been searching for what seems like forever for a multi-timbral (via MIDI) IOS synth w/ beat-synced LFO's/arpeggiators.  I've been watching the Caustic videos, and thinking "ahhh, I've finally arrived..."  BUT...  No MIDI Clock in or out??????

Oh, pleeeeeeeeze say it isn't so!!!

 

 

 

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No,since caustic is not

No,since caustic is not primaly made for live situations there is no midi clock

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Say it ain't so, Joe please,

Say it ain't so, Joe please, say it ain't so....anybody knows this one?

Like Horst said, not yet.

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If you were on android then

If you were on android then you would be lucky because there would be the right app for your situation, but i dont know what ios offers at this point

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Da, Skarabee.. I had the same

Da, Skarabee.. I had the same reaction when I read the title..
But sorry Nell.. Even if that's not what you want to hear, and you've got the right to know............. That it is so..
Caustic is so.......
So wonderful..
So excellent..
So gorgeous..
So efficient..
So powerful..

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I think it's the one thing

I think it's the one thing missing from Caustic. Syncing to a Korg Volca (or whatever) would be so much fun. Midi out would be awesome too.
Rej did mention that he'd got a prototype build working once but it all went very quiet. Oh well.

Neil
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Caustic supports CoreMIDI and

Caustic supports CoreMIDI and AudioBus.  So I think it's a safe assumption that interoperability w/ other apps and/or MIDI devices is intended.  Since 90+ % of every piece of music sw/hw made over the last 10 years is to some degree "beat-aware" (i.e. MIDI Clock capable/syncable), I'm at a total loss for the logic in omitting this from an app as otherwise deep/versatile as Caustic.

it is ENORMOUSLY disappointing to me, I use a MIDI-synced h/w looper (Boomerang III) as well as a Roland VG-99, which has some nice MIDI tempo-synced effects.  It is ten years old, yet even by today's standards, it has no commercial equal in the world of hex guitar processors.  I'm not giving it up, so whatever IOS adjunct I use has to have MIDI clock capability, otherwise it's useless for my intended purpose.  Like I said, watching the Caustic videos, I was SO psyched, it looked like EXACTLY what I needed. It is absolutely a brilliantly implemented app, but It is literally unimaginable to me that it wouldn't have MIDI clock in/out.  These days, it's a pretty standard/basic function...

RE: It being close to the top of the 'to do' list,  I dunno, This was 2 1/2 years ago:

http://www.singlecellsoftware.com/node/2958

 

 

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Well I know midi sync (and

Well I know midi sync (and out) are very important to you, me and a few other forum regulars but perhaps not so important to other Caustic users.

The Dev has to weigh up all feature requests for how hard they are to implement (it's just one person) against how many people actually would benefit or want this change.

I'm genuinely surprised that ios doesn't have another synth/DAW that suits your needs though. There is another app on android with full midi sync/out functionality called G-stomper Studio. It works really well, so it is possible.

I still long for it to happen 'cos I love Caustic and there are so many brilliant, cheap little synths on the market these days. Maybe one day...

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One possible solution is to

One possible solution is to export as midi, the tune you're working on.. Then import the midi files into a DAW.. Then this DAW will command your favorite Caustic, and any other midi device.. It will send note on, note off, and any other MIDI message, including midi clock..
Sure, it's not exactly exactly the same as working in real time with Caustic and MIDI clock, but that can be a better-than-nothing solution..

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I think you have to wait for

I think you have to wait for mike's Caustic Live for that. Caustic itself is a production tool, not a synth or live application.

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Yeah but Alpha we all work

Yeah but Alpha we all work differently and to assume that you'd only use sync for live jams is wrong. I'd be perfectly happy doing a finished Caustic production; drums, samples, chords, whatever and then syncing this up to my Volca, Teenage Engineering PO etc for live tweaked basslines, flourishes etc then recording everything into my digital recorder via some FX and mixing desk. Gotta be fun.
Plus genuine midi out (just like G-stomper - a groove box style, live app) would be be super useful for anyone with some midi gear sat around.
I'd seriously love to see all this implemented but understand I might never happen.

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Yeah, that's true. For me my

Yeah, that's true. For me my keyboard usually is enough and that doesn't require midi clocks. However if you're using a more professional/complex setup, you'd need that. You're right.

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Ok.. So, read again my post

Ok.. So, read again my post above..
But yes, I agree, Caustic is a "closed" app, and that can be frustrating in many cases..
But it is in constant development, and let's hope that what is not yet possible, for now, will be implemented some day.. When Rej finds out how to do it..

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I need midi sync in caustic

I need midi sync in caustic now PLEASE.

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At what time exactly ??

At what time exactly ??

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Probably better to write "I

Probably better to write "I need midi sync in caustic NOW please."

Folks, the bummer of all my apps is they are tied to Caustic's sound engine. I cannot do midi sync if Caustic does not do midi sync. 

If Rej decides to work with Caustic again, this is something I am going to talk to him about in detail. Plus Ableton Link.

As for now, I design my apps on Play to be self contained and export wav and midi for use in other apps.

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Wow my bad, I didn't realize

Wow my bad, I didn't realize this is from 2016...

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No no.. Saxyarty said "now"

No no.. Saxyarty said "now" just a few minutes ago..

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Ah this old thread! Still

Ah this old thread! Still longing for this to be added but with development seemingly stopped I guess it never will.
There's now a few Android apps with midi out but with so much time invested in Caustic I just can't face learning a new way of working. I'm too old!

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Don't give up hope, cause

Don't give up hope, cause patients is a virtue. wink

The site is still on the web right? ...

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It seems to .be..

It seems to .be..

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Sincerely.. And concerning

Sincerely.. And concerning MIDI clock.. I don't have much hope on this point.. I mean.. I don't know you, but I still didn't find a way to use Caustic with a MIDI keyboard, without some latency.. Not sooooo big, but still big enough to be almost unable to play medium-fast notes, correctly..

I have synthesizers, and I'm used to play on a keyboard, and hear the result.. I can feel a big difference, between playing on a real synth and playing on Caustic through a MIDI  keyboard.. I know that my computer is rather old, but I recently tried on a brand new pro-book, and there was still some latency, big enough to make things uncomfortable.. It ruins the "feeling" that you could put in your playing..

Same on cellphones and on the only one tablet (double-core) that I have been able to try Caustic on..

So.. Concerning MIDI clock.. Even if Rej would work on it and find a way to make it available for Caustic, I'm afraid that we would have to face some latency issues which would make synchronicity impossible..

If ever this word exist, I mean.. Apart of being a good title for a record..

 

Maybe I'm wrong.. But I'm not sure to be..

 

Have nice dreams anyway..

Thierry

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It's the contrary virtue

It's the contrary virtue against the sin of anger.

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I've tried my damnedest to live by those for almost two decades.

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Hey guys,

Hey guys,

For what its worth, ive been able to sync pocket operators to Caustic. I just recorded the click track from the PO, cropped the sample down to just one waveform, named and saved it. Then I load it into beatbox (PCMsynth should work too). Pan full left for that machine. The POs need to hear a click every 8th note, so just trigger those in the pattern editor. After that I just had to boost the volume a littlefor the PO to sync cleanly without skipping.

Maybe you can use a similar method to sync other gear to caustic?

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That's inventive and clever..

That's inventive and clever..

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I just farted. LOL.

I just farted. LOL.

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There should be a "ban"

There should be a "ban" buttons somewhere..

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Very cool I must try it with

Very cool I must try it with my PO. Someone posted about doing exactly this with a Volca too I while ago. Haven't tried doing that either!

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I don't know what a PO is..

I don't know what a PO is..

Anyway, Daeburon says it needs 1 click for each 1/8 note.. It doesn't seem to be a very high resolution.. As I suppose that this PO is able to produce 1/16 notes (otherwise, never buy such an useless toy) and even 1/32 note, I guess that it's a "tap" function which will calculate a higher resolution depending on this "tap" tempo....

Anyway.. Daeburon"s method could be applied to old TR808 or TR606 or that wonderful little machine called MC202.. They need 48 pulses per 1/4 note.. That means 24 pulses per 1/8 note, 12 per 1/16 note, 6 per 1/32 note and 3 per 1/64 note..

1/64 note is the smallest note that caustic can manage..

Daeburon"s "one cycle wave" could be changed into a burst of 3 'one cycle wave" separated by 2 silences.. The wave file, triggered by the beatbox, would then be one period, a few milliseconds silence, one period, a few milliseconds silence, one period..  and the pattern would be 64 repeated notes per measure..

To synchronize an old Korg KPR77, which works with 24 pulses per 1/4 note, the pattern would be 32  1/32notes per measure.. But who would want to use a KPR77 nowadays ?? A bad machine it was.. Ugly sound..

By creating an audio to MIDI electronic interface, which would send a MIDI CLOCK pulse each time it receive an audio "click", then it would then be possible to synchronize Caustic to any midi device, Caustic being the master..

What I don't understand is : If you pan the "clock" fully left, then you pan all the useful audio fully right, and then you no more use Caustic in stereo ?? Ah ??

Enjoy the clouds and rain..

Thierry

 

 

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What is this "TR808" you

What is this "TR808" you speak of?wink

I'm going to try this with my PO (Teenage Engineering Pocket Operator) and Korg Volca... but sacrificing Caustic's stereo output? Killed it for me really. Oh well.

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TR808 is a legend.. eh eh..

TR808 is a legend.. eh eh..